Now, I don't mean to be mean here; but on occasion (not mentioning any names for fear of being butchered), there's people who basically demand that I help them do their job. Let me explain; I hang out a bit in a few forums and newsgroups, as well as requests sent directly though this blog - now these are generally 'normal' requests for information / assistance on some specific aspect of a project with which someone is having a bit of trouble and needs a hand - fine, I have no problem with this, I spend quite a bit of time on these types of question and often write sample projects to more clearly explain concepts (I can't write for toffee...but I can code - that's generally the simplest way for me to explain such concepts). What really ticks me off though is the 'how do I do the whole project' type questions - which I will generally try to help out by providing links to articles, explanations of basic concepts etc...pretty often though I get really snooty replies, expectations that I should help people do their paid work gratis... I am seriously considering cutting off my contact form (again) and stopping visiting forums altogether - please remember if you're asking for help - you're in general asking people who do this stuff during the day for real cash money to provide you with free consultancy, in their own time - please don't get pissed off if you can't understand the advice / people don't provide you with the whole project on a platter. Unfortunately, the only way to learn to use any language / framework is to go through a bit of pain, there are people around (a surprisingly large number of them in places like the ASP.NET forums) who are providing free consultancy for little or no recognition (MVP awards being the exception...but then I've never understood how those doohickeys are awarded...write a book, get an MVP - go figure!). So policy from now on...if I give you advice and you don't find it useful - ask someone else / actually use your brain to try to process the information which I will have usually spent hours compiling for you, for free! Gripe over...now I'm going to write an article on Nester Data List Controls...I really am this time...honest!